Kolego zbuduj niemiecki pancernik z działami 800mm . 150 000 t[ trochę powiększony kadłub H44 ] .6 x 800mm w dwóch 3 działowych wieżach rozmieszczonych tak jak na Richelieu .50- 60 dział 127mm .Mały zasięg , prędkość 26w
Zobaczymy, może kiedyś;) jak widać, na razie siedzę w zupełnie innej epoce, zresztą nie ukrywam że takie mastodonty oderwane od realiów nie barzdo mnie pociągają. Poza tym - wątpię czy w takiej wyporności da się zbudować sensowny okręt z działami 800 mm. ja mam w swoim archiwum symulacje tego typu gigantów i najmniejszy z nich ma ponad 300.000 ton. oto raport ze springsharpa, z konieczności w częściach:
Wunderwaffe, Germany Superuberschereslachtshiff laid down 1940
Displacement: 301 850 t light; 320 440 t standard; 332 967 t normal; 342 988 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 1 698,95 ft / 1 640,42 ft x 196,85 ft x 65,62 ft (normal load) 517,84 m / 500,00 m x 60,00 m x 20,00 m
Armament: 8 - 31,50" / 800 mm guns (4x2 guns), 15 622,08lbs / 7 086,06kg shells, 1940 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring 12 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (4x3 guns), 669,80lbs / 303,81kg shells, 1940 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on side, all amidships 40 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (20x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1940 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 100 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (50x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 400 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (100x4 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 140 763 lbs / 63 849 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 29,5" / 750 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 16,83 ft / 5,13 m Ends: 7,87" / 200 mm 574,11 ft / 174,99 m 16,83 ft / 5,13 m Upper: 9,84" / 250 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 7,87" / 200 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 54,20 ft / 16,52 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 31,5" / 800 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 31,5" / 800 mm 2nd: 11,8" / 300 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 3rd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,57" / 40 mm -
- Armour deck: 15,75" / 400 mm, Conning tower: 31,50" / 800 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric motors, 8 shafts, 438 993 shp / 327 488 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 10 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 22 548 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 506 096 lbs / 229 561 Kg = 32,4 x 31,5 " / 800 mm shells or 158,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 16,7 ft / 5,1 m Roll period: 20,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06
Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0,550 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 40,50 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees Stern overhang: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 44,55 ft / 13,58 m - Forecastle (20%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m - Mid (50%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m - Quarterdeck (15%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m - Stern: 28,35 ft / 8,64 m - Average freeboard: 29,64 ft / 9,04 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,6% Waterplane Area: 225 361 Square feet or 20 937 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110% Structure weight / hull surface area: 437 lbs/sq ft or 2 135 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,18 - Longitudinal: 0,95 - Overall: 1,00 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Tylko działa 800mm i artyleria pl [127mm i 37mm] . Bez dział 150mm , torped i samolotów ,mała ilość paliwa , amunicji i zapasów .Oszczędność na tonażu przez ustawienie wież jak na Richelieu i 15 000t jest realne .A projekt w realiach historii alternatywnej . Pozdrawiam .
Kolego zbuduj niemiecki pancernik z działami 800mm . 150 000 t[ trochę powiększony kadłub H44 ] .6 x 800mm w dwóch 3 działowych wieżach rozmieszczonych tak jak na Richelieu .50- 60 dział 127mm .Mały zasięg , prędkość 26w
OdpowiedzUsuńZobaczymy, może kiedyś;) jak widać, na razie siedzę w zupełnie innej epoce, zresztą nie ukrywam że takie mastodonty oderwane od realiów nie barzdo mnie pociągają. Poza tym - wątpię czy w takiej wyporności da się zbudować sensowny okręt z działami 800 mm. ja mam w swoim archiwum symulacje tego typu gigantów i najmniejszy z nich ma ponad 300.000 ton. oto raport ze springsharpa, z konieczności w częściach:
OdpowiedzUsuńWunderwaffe, Germany Superuberschereslachtshiff laid down 1940
Displacement:
301 850 t light; 320 440 t standard; 332 967 t normal; 342 988 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
1 698,95 ft / 1 640,42 ft x 196,85 ft x 65,62 ft (normal load)
517,84 m / 500,00 m x 60,00 m x 20,00 m
Armament:
8 - 31,50" / 800 mm guns (4x2 guns), 15 622,08lbs / 7 086,06kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (4x3 guns), 669,80lbs / 303,81kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
40 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (20x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
100 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (50x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
400 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (100x4 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 140 763 lbs / 63 849 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
OdpowiedzUsuń- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 29,5" / 750 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 16,83 ft / 5,13 m
Ends: 7,87" / 200 mm 574,11 ft / 174,99 m 16,83 ft / 5,13 m
Upper: 9,84" / 250 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
7,87" / 200 mm 1 066,27 ft / 325,00 m 54,20 ft / 16,52 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 31,5" / 800 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 31,5" / 800 mm
2nd: 11,8" / 300 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
3rd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,57" / 40 mm -
- Armour deck: 15,75" / 400 mm, Conning tower: 31,50" / 800 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 8 shafts, 438 993 shp / 327 488 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 10 000nm at 16,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 22 548 tons
Complement:
6 929 - 9 009
Cost:
£161,929 million / $647,716 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 17 595 tons, 5,3%
Armour: 138 152 tons, 41,5%
- Belts: 28 865 tons, 8,7%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 16 837 tons, 5,1%
- Armament: 23 534 tons, 7,1%
- Armour Deck: 65 656 tons, 19,7%
- Conning Tower: 3 260 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 11 738 tons, 3,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 133 365 tons, 40,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 31 117 tons, 9,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 1 000 tons, 0,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
506 096 lbs / 229 561 Kg = 32,4 x 31,5 " / 800 mm shells or 158,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 16,7 ft / 5,1 m
Roll period: 20,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,550
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 40,50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 44,55 ft / 13,58 m
- Forecastle (20%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m
- Mid (50%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 28,35 ft / 8,64 m
- Stern: 28,35 ft / 8,64 m
- Average freeboard: 29,64 ft / 9,04 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,5%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,6%
Waterplane Area: 225 361 Square feet or 20 937 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 437 lbs/sq ft or 2 135 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,18
- Longitudinal: 0,95
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Tylko działa 800mm i artyleria pl [127mm i 37mm] . Bez dział 150mm , torped i samolotów ,mała ilość paliwa , amunicji i zapasów .Oszczędność na tonażu przez ustawienie wież jak na Richelieu i 15 000t jest realne .A projekt w realiach historii alternatywnej . Pozdrawiam .
OdpowiedzUsuńA zmieści się na Bałtyku?
OdpowiedzUsuńNa Bałtyku to się zmieści (tylko po co), ale na kanał kiloński nie wejdzie..:-/
OdpowiedzUsuńTo ma być H 44 z 6 działami 800mm , a planowane pancerniki typu H 44 miały operować z portów Francuskich .
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